ArthurJGuy
Jan 7 2009, 01:29 PM
http://lvms.com/news/strip_news/529515.htmlQUOTE
MIDNIGHT MAYHEM REQUIREMENTS & SPECIFICATIONS
Engine and transmission: OEM-production engine and transmission case and components must be as produced by OEM manufacturer for the particular vehicle application. All other engines and transmissions prohibited.
Exhaust system: All vehicles must be equipped with mufflers and a functional exhaust system that extends at least behind the drivers' seat. Competition exhaust permitted. Exhaust must be directed out of car to rear, away from driver and fuel tank.
Fuel: Racing gasoline, gasoline, gasohol, diesel, ethanol, natural gas, and propane permitted. Nitromethane prohibited.
Fuel system and battery: All batteries, fuel tanks, fuel lines, fuel pumps, or filler necks must retain stock OEM location as produced by the OEM manufacturer.
Liquid overflow: Catch-can mandatory for coolant overflow; one-pint (16-ounce) minimum capacity.
Supercharger, turbocharger: Original OEM supercharger or turbocharger permitted. Any non-OEM, high helix, or screw-type supercharger prohibited.
Brakes and suspension: Four-wheel OEM-style brake system mandatory.
Steering: Car must have sufficient positive front-end alignment to ensure proper handling of car at all speeds.
Suspension: All cars must have a full suspension system of the type produced by an automobile manufacturer (i.e. springs, torsion bars, etc.). Lightening of stock components prohibited. Rigid mounted suspensions prohibited.
Tires and wheels: Street tires or DOT drag radials permitted. Racing slicks prohibited. Wheels must be automotive-type wheels suitable for street use. All lug nuts must be in place and securely tightened.
Body: Must have full top and windshield as produced by OEM manufacturer. All full-bodied cars must have two driver exits. Both doors must be functional from inside and outside on all full-bodied cars. Four stock-production fenders mandatory, body kits permitted.
Firewall: Mandatory, as produced by OEM manufacturer. Firewall may not be altered in any manner.
Hood: Mandatory.
Seats: Properly braced, framed, and supported OEM-style seats mandatory.
Windshield, windows: Mandatory, as produced by OEM manufacturer only. Must be in good condition and free of cracks. Windshield/window tint must meet the applicable state requirements. Windows must be closed during races; need not be operable.
Electrical: Batteries must be securely mounted in stock OEM location only. Ignition
OEM-designed ignition system permitted.
Headlights, taillights: All lights must be operational.
Support group: Computers installed on stock vehicles by the new-vehicle manufacturers for the proper operation of such vehicles are permitted. OEM electronic fuel injection permitted.
Electronics: The use of racing electronics (i.e. delay box, throttle stop, etc.) strictly prohibited.
Fire-extinguisher system: Permitted; must be securely mounted.
Driver: Driver must have a valid, unrestricted state or government-issued driver's license, with no underage driving restrictions (i.e. supervised, provisional, etc.).
Driver restraint system: Seat belt mandatory in all cars as produced by OEM manufacturer. Aftermarket driver-restraint systems with higher rating than OEM permitted.
So let me get this straight...
No more open header cars or muffler delete cars (which includes the OEM C6 vette), no more battery relocate cars, no more aftermarket F/I cars, No slicks/skinnys, and no 03/04 Cobras or GT500's for any reason.
Who would spend the money to hang out with a bunch of 15 second cars?
SinCity R/T
Jan 7 2009, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 7 2009, 04:03 PM)

http://lvms.com/news/strip_news/529515.htmlSo let me get this straight...
No more open header cars or muffler delete cars (which includes the OEM C6 vette), no more battery relocate cars, no more aftermarket F/I cars, No slicks/skinnys, and no 03/04 Cobras or GT500's for any reason.
Who would spend the money to hang out with a bunch of 15 second cars?
It's not like you come out to the track anyways...
ArthurJGuy
Jan 7 2009, 02:17 PM
Yep, and now that my car runs I can't.
SinCity R/T
Jan 7 2009, 02:35 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 7 2009, 04:51 PM)

Yep, and now that my car runs I can't.
What category would you fail - relocated battery?
ArthurJGuy
Jan 7 2009, 02:40 PM
No Mufflers (once my new catback goes on) and Wheels/Tires.
ACESCOBRA
Jan 7 2009, 03:27 PM
Y not 03/04 Cobras?
andrewrj
Jan 7 2009, 03:34 PM
it said stock blower cars are fine. and why are you running slicks anyway? isnt an et street enough for you?
SilvrStang
Jan 7 2009, 03:36 PM
Yeah like they're gona know a difference between a kenne/whipple and stock eaton. Tell im you painted it black haha. Rules ar eprettty damn ridicilous man.
ArthurJGuy
Jan 7 2009, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (ACESCOBRA @ Jan 7 2009, 05:01 PM)

Y not 03/04 Cobras?
QUOTE (andrewrj @ Jan 7 2009, 05:08 PM)

it said stock blower cars are fine. and why are you running slicks anyway? isnt an et street enough for you?
It says stock blowers are ok, but then after that it says no screw type blowers of any kind, which I interpret to mean stock as well.
An ET street is a slick, with two tiny grooves in it.
SinCity R/T
Jan 7 2009, 04:06 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 7 2009, 06:14 PM)

It says stock blowers are ok, but then after that it says no screw type blowers of any kind, which I interpret to mean stock as well.
An ET street is a slick, with two tiny grooves in it.
E/T Streets are DOT tires.
ArthurJGuy
Jan 7 2009, 04:16 PM
I guess I can go race with the 15 second cars then.
lincoln5o
Jan 7 2009, 04:23 PM
WTF? So now I can't race either one of my cars. Fuck that shit.
luisvelasco02
Jan 7 2009, 04:44 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 7 2009, 06:50 PM)

I guess I can go race with the 15 second cars then.
not to be a hater or anything but don't be suprised if you run 14s-15s with you new power, first time out. I know for the longest I was running 13s with 550rwhp, its not all about making power.
SinCity R/T
Jan 7 2009, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (luisvelasco02 @ Jan 7 2009, 07:18 PM)

not to be a hater or anything but don't be suprised if you run 14s-15s with you new power, first time out. I know for the longest I was running 13s with 550rwhp, its not all about making power.
He said he's just gonna hang out in the parking lot anyways...
lincoln5o
Jan 7 2009, 04:50 PM
Looks like a lot of us are just gonna be hanging out in the parking lot now
moparrbust
Jan 7 2009, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 7 2009, 02:03 PM)

http://lvms.com/news/strip_news/529515.htmlSo let me get this straight...
No more open header cars or muffler delete cars (which includes the OEM C6 vette), no more battery relocate cars, no more aftermarket F/I cars, No slicks/skinnys, and no 03/04 Cobras or GT500's for any reason.
Who would spend the money to hang out with a bunch of 15 second cars?
Sweeeet; maybe I will be attending MM throughout the year this year. You're missing the best part about these new strict rules..............it's gonna eliminate a TON of the ricers that come out and rip 17 second times and make your ears bleed while doing it. I have factory blower, exhaust and DOT Hoosiers and don't mind beating up on a bunch of 15 second cars with the Crossfire.
Bigram
Jan 7 2009, 06:15 PM
If you guys are so concerned about running a race car on a street legal night, why not just run the actual 'races", as in points series??
moparrbust
Jan 7 2009, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (Bigram @ Jan 7 2009, 06:49 PM)

If you guys are so concerned about running a race car on a street legal night, why not just run the actual 'races", as in points series??
I run both...............I am a raceaholic and admitting it is the first step.
SinCity R/T
Jan 7 2009, 06:28 PM
QUOTE (Bigram @ Jan 7 2009, 08:49 PM)

If you guys are so concerned about running a race car on a street legal night, why not just run the actual 'races", as in points series??
They're already freaking out about having to pass Midnight Mayhem tech rules, much less a proper NHRA inspection. I'll bet less than 10% of the guys on this board own a helmet and driveshaft loop. I think they're skeered to show up at a proper TnT, they'll have to race against someone besides a 17-sec Honda
Bigram
Jan 7 2009, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (moparrbust @ Jan 7 2009, 06:58 PM)

I run both...............I am a raceaholic and admitting it is the first step.
Cool !!
Bigram
Jan 7 2009, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (SinCity R/T @ Jan 7 2009, 07:02 PM)

They're already freaking out about having to pass Midnight Mayhem tech rules, much less a proper NHRA inspection. I'll bet less than 10% of the guys on this board own a helmet and driveshaft loop. I think they're skeered to show up at a proper TnT, they'll have to race against someone besides a 17-sec Honda

I hear ya !!
LS1Inferno
Jan 7 2009, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (Bigram @ Jan 7 2009, 06:49 PM)

If you guys are so concerned about running a race car on a street legal night, why not just run the actual 'races", as in points series??
we dont own race cars. we have modified street cars. i can understand the dangerous hondas. I havent been attending MM for many years like a bunch of you BUT i have seen ONE wreck and that was my friends car and if he were on the street he would not have spun out and hit the wall. these rules filter out pretty much anyone who likes cars and likes to modify them. I see this as just a reason to try and make us RACE cars join their RACE series and pay more MONEY to race.
96silverbullet
Jan 7 2009, 07:58 PM
I will still go out there for MM hopefully the rules will discourage the F&F crew..........
there should be races wed,friday,saturday and sunday! most of all have people watching out for bs going on,guiding people properly to specific lanes not waiting for them to be in lanes for 45min just to find out that lane is not running,this track is possibly one of the WORST managed i have ever seen! owell i guess you gotta be a bigtime racer!
SilvrStang
Jan 7 2009, 10:56 PM
I think Ill be okay with my setup if they dont nail me for something retarded. And it isnt gona stop me from racing at the track on anywhere else.
ArthurJGuy
Jan 8 2009, 08:11 AM
QUOTE (SinCity R/T @ Jan 7 2009, 08:02 PM)

They're already freaking out about having to pass Midnight Mayhem tech rules, much less a proper NHRA inspection. I'll bet less than 10% of the guys on this board own a helmet and driveshaft loop. I think they're skeered to show up at a proper TnT, they'll have to race against someone besides a 17-sec Honda

I would actually prefer to run at a TNT and have no problems passing a TNT tech.
If there were more TNT's especially the Saturday daytime ones I would be there much more often. I can't justify paying the fee for a number and all to run at maybe 2 TNT's a year though.
I also prefer racing someone besides a 17 second honda because a majority of the time I know the guy with a 10 second Nova knows what he is doing and isn't going to ride out a sliding car and put ME into the wall with him.
They don’t want to have to prep the track for cars that need it and they can afford to drop the car count at MM. They also know that these rule changes are going to promote the test / tune where turnouts have been low … and where they get upwards of $80 to race vs $5 at MM.
LVMS is a business. Their interests are not about “creating a safe racing environment” or any of the bullshit they use to sell it … its about making money. You are better of just going a few miles out of town …
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 8 2009, 08:45 AM)

I also prefer racing someone besides a 17 second honda because a majority of the time I know the guy with a 10 second Nova knows what he is doing and isn't going to ride out a sliding car and put ME into the wall with him.
... just make sure there isn't $1k on the race ...
(referance me to riding out a sliding 10 second Nova and almost cutting a GTO in half last Aug)
SinCity R/T
Jan 8 2009, 08:38 AM
I usually don't like going to TnT events, because of the bias towards the bracket racers. On a number of occasions I've sat out there for the full session and got 1 pass done, whereas the bracket racers were getting up to 5. I usually see more breakdowns at TnT events, and then the guys who operate the staging lanes were letting the bracket lanes loop over and over while keeping the street lanes parked. IMHO that's bullshit - since everyone's paying the same $$ we should have the same chance at being next in line.
SinCity R/T
Jan 8 2009, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (Lou @ Jan 8 2009, 10:58 AM)

LVMS is a business. Their interests are not about “creating a safe racing environment” or any of the bullshit they use to sell it … its about making money. You are better of just going a few miles out of town …
Unfortunately that's the key to everything. LVMS is owned by a corporate entity, and this isn't their headquarters. They have absolutely no ownership ties to the community like you find with smaller rural tracks where the people have lived nearby for multiple generations. LVMS probably makes more money at one NHRA weekend than they do all year with all of the TnT/MM events combined, and their attention span reflects that premise.
QUOTE (SinCity R/T @ Jan 8 2009, 09:12 AM)

I usually don't like going to TnT events, because of the bias towards the bracket racers. On a number of occasions I've sat out there for the full session and got 1 pass done, whereas the bracket racers were getting up to 5. I usually see more breakdowns at TnT events, and then the guys who operate the staging lanes were letting the bracket lanes loop over and over while keeping the street lanes parked. IMHO that's bullshit - since everyone's paying the same $$ we should have the same chance at being next in line.
See above. The bracket guys show up to and pay at every race.
Offtopic ... SinCityR/T I still have those 30" ET streets if you want them.
swoosh-stang
Jan 8 2009, 04:20 PM
Art, eaton's are not screws. What this does is keep anyone from putting a twin screw on a cobra.
I still think that these rules are just being put in place so that if a tech guys comes across a problem car, they can kick them off the track.
My car will still qualify, and with a set of ET Streets, I'm legal, and running mid-high 12's.
with a port, pulley, tune, exhaust (with mufflers) and ET streets, a cobra could easily run 11's and still be legal.
2L8ULUZ
Jan 8 2009, 06:50 PM
ROFLMAO!!! I love this. See you guys on the 23rd.
So we put the 325 radials back on!!!! See ya all out there.
Garth
luisvelasco02
Jan 8 2009, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (ArthurJGuy @ Jan 8 2009, 10:45 AM)

I would actually prefer to run at a TNT and have no problems passing a TNT tech.
If there were more TNT's especially the Saturday daytime ones I would be there much more often. I can't justify paying the fee for a number and all to run at maybe 2 TNT's a year though.
I also prefer racing someone besides a 17 second honda because a majority of the time I know the guy with a 10 second Nova knows what he is doing and isn't going to ride out a sliding car and put ME into the wall with him.
not all the time though at the top dog event Frank and I ran at during the summer a 10 sec nova cam within a foot or two of putting me into the wall, luck I was ahead by about a car, he lost it came right behind me in my lane and hit the wall straight on. I was going about 110mph when I last saw him about to hit me.
SilvrStang
Jan 8 2009, 10:04 PM
Hey guys if you wana write anything to LVMS you can by sending an email to cblair@lvms.com and telling him your opinion on what you think. Offcourse no vulgarity but if you are concerned shoot him and email.
2L8ULUZ
Jan 8 2009, 10:28 PM
I like the way you think Garth, I like the way you think.
QUOTE (LEP @ Jan 8 2009, 09:53 PM)

So we put the 325 radials back on!!!! See ya all out there.
Garth
lincoln5o
Jan 8 2009, 11:28 PM
Fuck it. I'll still bring the goat out. If I get turned away for exhaust, I'll just go find some poor honda to pick on on the highway.
QUOTE (luisvelasco02 @ Jan 8 2009, 10:04 PM)

not all the time though at the top dog event Frank and I ran at during the summer a 10 sec nova cam within a foot or two of putting me into the wall, luck I was ahead by about a car, he lost it came right behind me in my lane and hit the wall straight on. I was going about 110mph when I last saw him about to hit me.
Sounds like that guy had no idea what he was doing. Good thing you were ahead.
SilvrStang
Jan 9 2009, 10:24 AM
Track is prepped like shit sometime and even oildowns on the track are not fully cleaned up. I saw that nova go into the wall not sure what it was but that car was fucking mean.
SinCity R/T
Jan 9 2009, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (Lou @ Jan 9 2009, 12:08 PM)

Sounds like that guy had no idea what he was doing. Good thing you were ahead.
I dunno why they let such n00by drivers onto the track - or such oblivious people onto the internet.
ACESCOBRA
Jan 9 2009, 03:03 PM
Gils goat runs on radials too! See ya all there on the 23rd!
luisvelasco02
Jan 9 2009, 09:23 PM
nice it looks like there might be at least 3 nine second cars that day. I'll join you guys someday.
moparrbust
Jan 11 2009, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (ACESCOBRA @ Jan 9 2009, 03:37 PM)

Gils goat runs on radials too! See ya all there on the 23rd!
My Crossfire should run 9's.......................in the 1/8th.
SilvrStang
Jan 11 2009, 05:45 PM
Hi 9s for me as well LOL
SinCity R/T
Jan 11 2009, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (moparrbust @ Jan 11 2009, 07:17 PM)

My Crossfire should run 9's.......................in the 1/8th.

You must really suck at launching to run a 9 in the 1/8 with your 1/4 times...
moparrbust
Jan 15 2009, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (SinCity R/T @ Jan 11 2009, 07:38 PM)

You must really suck at launching to run a 9 in the 1/8 with your 1/4 times...

SHHHHHHH..................I didn't want to say I run 7's
1sickturbo2v
Jan 20 2009, 07:56 PM
I will be there early so I get runs. Hey husic are you going ?
SilvrStang
Jan 20 2009, 09:56 PM
Wont make it out dude. Redoing my exhaust and helping a friend install LTs and tubular K.
1sickturbo2v
Jan 20 2009, 10:04 PM
Maybe next time then. Exhaust is easy but I am still worried about k-member. I know I will be ok with your help and art's. What k-member is your friend going with, I am thinking to get upr.
ArthurJGuy
Jan 21 2009, 08:33 AM
K member looks very intimidating until you've done one, then you look at it and go "Thats it?".
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